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Posted: 18 December 2004 at 3:40am | IP Logged
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yo this rapper overstepped some boundaries i think.....i got no problem with people of different races...but as far as the use of the term 'nigg@' i dont think it is apprpriate for people of other races to use the word as freely and openly as blacks will use it with each other. in my opinion, i dont even like the word.....but i hate it even more coming from a white person as it still carries that emotional sting....i dont want u to get the wrong impression...its just a stand i have decided to take.....i will never call a pakistani a 'p@ki' even though i hear themselves calling each other that....or i will never call white people white trash....i just think its overstepping boundaries. unless u were specifically given permission to do so....sorry for the ramble...these thoughts came after listening to MIXTURE a hiphop artist here on mp3unsigned. i posted these comments to him on his site....i hope i wasnt too harsh cuz i never meant to....
yo i am kool wid u...and ur stuff is kool but i dont know when whites ever got permission to use the word 'nigga' in their music....i know u werent using it in a derogatory way but it is stil very much a taboo word for you in my opinion. i guess it is because not too long ago when ur greatgrandparents used that term they were trying to say black people were uneducated and of lesser value. i dont mean to create offence here but i am simply expressing my view on this. it isnt appropriate to use the word publicly. if u have black freinds that let u call them nigga thats fine......but dont be using it on these forums....
here is the link: http://www.mp3unsigned.com/Showmp3.asp?mp3id=4776&aid=24 76
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Posted: 18 December 2004 at 3:49am | IP Logged
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Wow, he said it about 15 times. By reading your post, I assume he only said it once or twice.
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Posted: 18 December 2004 at 8:50am | IP Logged
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In my own opinion it is a word. Words are only given power by people. It no longer has a meaning and if it isn't used hurtfully I feel it is perfectly ok. I will purposely call myself a white trash cracker in mixed company for the looks and the laugh. While using any hateful word in a negative way is NOT acceptable...making a list of words you cannot say gives the people who do use them a power over you.
While I certainly respect your opinion because, and I am white so I could never understand the feelings the word invokes...I stand by my beliefs.
If you let the word hurt you..people who want to hurt you have been given a weapon.
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Posted: 18 December 2004 at 9:29am | IP Logged
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An interesting post, Im sure it will give Stew and Management some food for thought.
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Posted: 18 December 2004 at 10:40am | IP Logged
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no parental advisory against it, so it's gonna be removed.
If there was parental advisory against it, it'd stay.
This has been discussed before, we are not censors. Only ever had cause to remove 2 or 3 tracks in the past.
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Posted: 18 December 2004 at 11:00am | IP Logged
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I think that's fair enough Stew.
I have a real problem with that word, I hate it. It even makes me
uncomfortable when I hear black guys using it truth be told...but then
I'm oversensitive.
Obviously this is giving power to the word, as suggested by
Crutial...but I've had too many beatings in my life, too many bloody
noses, bust lips, black eyes, verbal abuse, hate, and ignorace....all
because I was raised by a Jewish familiy! 
Therefore I absolutely LOATHE anything that I percieve to be rascist, homophobic, or generally biggoted.
I could go on.....I won't bore you anymore (well not too much lol) -
but I well remember a time on the bus coming home from work. A lad
called Coggsy (don't know his real name) came and sat behind me. he was
generally well known to be an active member of the National Front (a
fascist organisation here in the UK - since disbanded). Coggsy was a
terror to me at school, complete with skinhead haircut, Dock Martin
boots, all the paraphenalia...now here he was again.
There was probably around 20 people sat on that bus, yet he beat the
living sh*t out of me...and I mean the living sh*t! As he punched and
kicked, he screamed JEW JEW JEW!!! Like a chant that accompanied each
strike of his fist.
Friday night in Doncaster Royal Infirmary, courtesy of Coggsy - 1984.
The others on the bus, sort of turned away, pretended not to be there.
Nobody offered to help. The driver had to take me to the hospital after
finishing the run. Coggsy had long since left.
I've seen him once again since...around seven years ago...in a pub. He
had not changed a bit. 'Alright Jew?' he spat with a grin. My wife
tried to intervene...I managed to get out before anything too nasty
occured, but Ive lived in mortal fear of him since.
Yet he was just one of the
dozens of people who abused, hurt, physically assaulted me since I was
old enough to attend school....all because I was Jewish.
Consequently I have very little toerance for anything that I regard as
rascist. I've since disowned my own religion, pretending not to know
anything about it, feining ignorance. I even have trouble writing it
out on here...the words actually cost me a great deal just to type. I'm
utterly ashamed to be Jewish, and terrified of the consequences of
revealing the fact. 
I half expect some person to reply on here and begin verbally abusing me over it...that's how bad it is.
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Posted: 18 December 2004 at 11:21am | IP Logged
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I used to be really skinny at school, and was picked on by the class
bully everyday, untill one day I turned round and gave him a hard swift
kick up the backside with all his m8's watching, he left me alone after
that.
The thing I really hate nowaday's is all the drug user's in town, they
really give the public cause for concern, one of the main reason's why
I started going to the gym 2 years ago.
At least I feel like I can now look after myself now, but I'm dreading getting old and not being able to fight back.
Edited by Paradise Decay on 18 December 2004 at 11:21am
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Posted: 18 December 2004 at 11:22am | IP Logged
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I want to make a smartmouth response to Ffabbia, really I do... (it's killing me!) ...but now I'm all paranoid about being misunderstood. All these labels and prejudices, they so much just get in the way. We all need to leave it behind. It's all history, nothing to do with this generation.
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Posted: 18 December 2004 at 11:45am | IP Logged
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Make your smartmouth response then Valerie - I can handle it regardless
of how sarcastic it is. All the above is all ancient history now in any
case, so feel free to air some 'oh get over it, wimp' type stuff
lol 
Drug users are an epidemic in Nottingham as well then Graham?
My estate has calmed down a little within the last few weeks, 'cos they
managed to close three crack houses in neighbouring flats, and the
living dead now have to go somewhere else to buy their smack.
To be honest, many of the living dead are more of an annoyance than a
(violent) threat, they shuffle around like corpses, in their baseball
caps, scruffy tracksuit bottoms and blank, lifeless eyes, constantly
accosting all passers by with a nasal voiced 'excuse me mate can ya
lend us 20p?' Most of them are too far gone to even have the reflexes
and reactive skills to actually fight anybody. They are a bloody
nuisance however...but obviously the real danger lies in the fact that
burglary and crime is a real risk.
The people who really do get mugged and assaulted tend to be old
people, and others who are not able to defend themselves. Current
levels of crime against pensioners in Doncaster are pretty bad...and
worse on my own estate ('dubbed 'The Problem Estate' in suitably hushed
tones within the local press). Still now that the crack houses are
gone, it is generally safe to walk around after dark, which is a pretty
good thing. There's still all those gangs of teenagers that lurk on
corners, and yell abuse lol...but once again these are generally more
of a nuisance.
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Posted: 18 December 2004 at 12:02pm | IP Logged
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I'm not gonna be drawn into commenting about this sort of thing, otherwise we'd have to change the sitename to mp3unsignedmoralhighgroundandlookingtobeshotdowninflames.com
I realise tho, that we all have prejudices, maybe smaller than some other folk, but we all do, and it's not really my place to decide what's right and what's wrong, other than the really brutal stuff.
If someone complains about something, it's deliberated on, then dealt with.
My great fear is that, while trying to keep this site family friendly (as my kids like to listen to the tracks, especially Vinyl Clouds) we end up sanitizing it to the point where freedom of speech and expression of fear, doubt, anger and any emotion other than niceness is lost.
Like I said, anything you think is downright offensive, let me know, and it'll be dealt with.
hope that helps (doubt it)
(and for anyone interested, I grew up in a seriously mental area of Scotland, and survived, so hang in there!)
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